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How To Overcome Depression Using The Enneagram - Episode 11 Transcription

Updated: Nov 17, 2020

A transcription of the third episode on our podcast "Insert Verb Here" titled "How To Stop Struggling To Take Action In Your Life" Read along while you listen to the episode!

Haley: We all know that Elle woods type of woman, a straight up boss who doesn't stop for the world, but the world stops for her. We not only want to look up to these confident, intelligent fear, tackling kinds of woman. We want to become one ourselves.

Jordan: And that's what we're doing every week at Insert Verb Here, sharing our passions, opportunity and experiences to give you the tools and motivation to become her. Documenting the journey we're on to become the best versions of ourselves. The journey of becoming a strong and powerful woman.

Jordan: Alright mrs. Haley, hello!

Haley: We never will never get good at actually opening -

Jordan: Starting? No.

Haley: And we just go, okay.

Jordan: Here we are.

Haley: Here we are. What do we do?

Jordan: So in today's episode, it's a special one for Haley. It's something that's really close to her heart. It is...

Haley: Something I talk about every week anyways.

Jordan: Yes, it is the Enneagram.. ?

Haley: It is the Enneagram. Finally!

Jordan: She's very excited.

Haley: I'm very excited. I have about six pages of notes. So we will just gi- I mean, should just kind of get...

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: Going in it?

Jordan: So how... I have a couple of questions, one is what is the Enneagram? How did you get involved in it? Why is it important to you and...

Haley: A couple..

Jordan: A couple. And has it, do you feel like it's actually made impact or difference in your life?

Haley: Yeah. So how I got into it I don't specifically remember how I found out about it. I know that Zanes younger sisters kind of were into it a little bit. So we had briefly talked about it with them, but I remember one day we were with our friend group at Bahama Bucks, we were like, let's just all take the Enneagram test. And so we did, and like we spent the whole night talking about it, figuring out what our types were, typing each other. And like, just really, that was like my first real experience in the Enneagram.

Jordan: Cause I had never, ever heard of it. I've heard of like Myers-Briggs and like your astrology sign or astrological sign, or...

Haley: Disc.

Jordan: Yes. Disc assessment. But I'd never heard of that until I started hanging out with you.

Haley: Yeah. Cause I love taking tests. Like I'm the person who will take all of the Buzzfeed quizzes just to find out like what grilled cheese sandwich I am. Like, I love things like that. And so I was like, I'm cool. Another, another personality test. And then I got into it. I was like, "Oh, this is so much more than a personality test."

Jordan: What makes it more? So what's the difference between that and Meyer Briggs?

Haley: It's not... Myers-Briggs is a personality test. The Enneagram is an ego test. It does not cover your personality. It covers why you do things that affect your personality, but it is not, it is an ego test. It is about your core desires, your fear, your weakness, your...

Jordan: Interesting...

Haley: Your motive. It's all about your motivation for doing the things that you do in your life. And so it's, I find it very interesting because it's different from all of the other personality tests that you take because it's not personality test. So really the whole reason this kind of this whole episode came about was about a month or so ago. I was really depressed and I couldn't figure out why... Um... Pretty close to... It was, it was very, very bad and I had no motivation to do anything. I pretty much neglected every single part of myself. And I would just sleep, play video games, maybe eat sometimes if I remembered and then repeat, like rinse and repeat. And so I just was in this constant cycle of I'm really sad. I want to fix it, but I don't know how. And I would think I would figure out why I'm feeling this way. And then I can never quite get to that point. And so it was about a month or so of this just constant cycle. And then one day I don't even, I don't even remember it was doing, I was like doing the laundry. It was something really random and Zane's in the living room. And I'm in our bedroom, the doors shut. And I like thought of this and I got up and I slammed the door open. I was like open the door. And I was like, Zane, I'm sad because I'm not being authentic to myself. Which is my core desire from the Enneagram. I'm a four wing three. Our core desire is to be authentic and individualist and special, unique, but like, we want to be the most authentic versions of ourselves and we fear lacking identity. And so by... When I was neglecting all the things that are really important to me, like taking care of myself, cleaning the house even little things like watering my plants. Like I didn't want them to be plans for like a month because I didn't have the energy to do it. And by doing all these little things, it added up and I was like, by me being comfortable and neglecting that because I'm sad, I'm actually making it worse because I'm neglecting my core desire in life. And so that kind of prompted this whole thing where I was like, I can use this to help myself climb out of this depression. And that's exactly what I did. The Enneagram has made a big difference for me because I don't think if I had known that, that I would have come to that realization, I would just still be stuck in this. I don't know why I'm feeling this way. And so I've been able to, in my darkest times, and even in my lightest times use it to better myself and to get myself to where I want to be and to become the person I want to become.

Jordan: Wow.

Haley: Yeah.

Jordan: Huh. That's so interesting that something... Because some people like... I'm one of the, like, even with Myers-Briggs or anything, that's like.. Like a good friend of mine. She is obsessed with the Myers Briggs. And she's like, that's who you are. That's why you act this way. Dah, dah, dah, I can't date someone because they are this type. Like, but the person is not...

Haley: The type.

Jordan: Yeah. Like you, you are a person, you are not a robot that is programmed to be blah, blah, blah. So it's so interesting that to me, that something that people could just see as another, like Buzzfeed grilled cheese thing has made such an impact on you.

Haley: Well, that's the Enneagram is actually - the point of the Enneagram is to outgrow it.

Jordan: Oh!

Haley: The whole point because and I'll talk about this a little bit later too. It's what's it called? The, I don't remember it's called like levels of, it's basically your levels of health. So the Enneagram is other than all of the other little bits and pieces of it, which I will go into detail later about there are the levels of health. And so there's nine levels. Nine through seven are unhealthy, six through four are average and then three through one are healthy. And so everyone kind of starts in a different place. And the goal is to go from a nine to a one in levels of health. And it's all about change and growth and using, and it's, it is about using this to better yourself and to use your core, who you are and elevate that to be the most productive, the most caring, whatever that thing is. Zane, and I's favorite conversation is how can we improve? How can we make our lives better? How can we do this? Make ourselves better people? And so that's all we talk about. Well, mostly. I need to stop exaggerating. That's a lot of what we talk about. And so this just fits into that. And also helps. Cause it's like, like I said, with me being a four, it's about having an identity. And when I found the description of a four, I was like scarily accurate. I was like, this is me 100%. There's not one thing that I don't agree with. Like there's other like with like cause I'm an INFP as well for Myers-Briggs and when I read it, I'm like, yeah, like 90% of that's pretty true, but I don't always feel like I fit with that with the Enneagram. Always. Like, even if, cause like I said, there's levels of health. So if you're healthier, you're going to do things that someone who's on a unhealthier level isn't going to do. But I still, you fluctuate. I'd been at that point before. So I'm like, I'm not doing that now, but that one I have been in that 100% relates to me. And so...

Jordan: What are the different types? What are the different things?

Haley: There are nine types and they each have their own desire, weakness, and then, or desire, fear and weakness.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: And so like Type 1 is the moral, their desire is to have integrity, be good, be a good, right. Righteous person. I'm being very accurate and balanced. Whereas their fear is being wrong or being seen as evil or incompetent or unredeemable, corruptible, anything like that. And so their biggest, their core weaknesses, resentment and resenting things in their past for feeling bad, corruptible, evil, whatever it is. And then there's type 2, which is uh..

Jordan: Which is what you think I am.

Haley: That's what I think you are the supportive advisor or the helper. So their core desires to be appreciated, to be loved and wanted. And then their fear is being rejected, unwanted, being thought of is worthless, needy, inconsequential, unworthy of love...

Jordan: Maybe.

Haley: Maybe? [laughs] Then their weakness is pride. That's the core weakness.

Jordan: I don't know. Okay. Keep going. We'll see.. Keep going.

Haley: Yeah. Oh and they're usually generous, demonstrated, people pleasing, kind of people.

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: [Laughs] Um and then there's type 3 the successful achiever. So their desire is having high status, respect ,being admired, being successful. And then their core fear is being exposed. So that was incompetent, inefficient, worthless, things like that. And then their weaknesses deceit. Then there's 4, which is mine. The romantic individualist. Which core desire is being unique, special, authentic. Fear is being inadequate, emotionally cut off, plain, mundane, defective flawed, insignificant. Fours are the most dramatic over - I... Cause on my here, my list, I have like words to describe them. And so mine are expressive, dramatic, self absorbed and temperamental. [laughs] Which I'm like... "huh.. Okay" And then our weaknesses envy and envying other people. And so um.. Type 5, the investigative thinker. They want to be capable, feel competent. And their core fear is being annihilated, invaded, not existing, being thought of as incapable or ignorant. numbers type 6 is the loyal guardian. Having security, guidance and support. And then their core fear is fear itself. Like they really struggle with anxiety and they want to always be, have support and be supported. They don't want to be blamed or targeted or anything like that. Then there's type 7, which is the entertaining optimist. These are the really outgoing people. And uso they, their core desire is to be happy and to just be fully fulfilled and satisfied. And their fear is being deprived, trapped in emotional pain, bored, missing out on something like there, the definition of like FOMO types.

Jordan: [Laughs] Okay.

Haley: They like, all they want to do is be around.. "Where's The party happening? I'm going to be there."

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: Um type 8. The protective challenger. Protecting yourself, those in your inner circle. And then there desire - or sorry that this is their desire. Their fear, is being weak or being powerless or controlled. This is my brother's type.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: Um being controlled by people and not being able to like... They're... Want to be independent. And so they fear lacking independence and having to be bogged down by what society tells them. And then their core weaknesses, lust or excess. And then the last type is type 9. The peaceful mediator. They want to have inner stability and peace of mind. They are very anti conflict. They are the, like the diplomats who are trying just to calm down, keep the peace. And so their core fear is being in conflict. They did not like conflict. They do not want to be in conflict and they don't want to like feel shut out by others or overlooked.

Jordan: Hmm.

Haley: So that's the basic of the nine types. And so usually to find out, you can take a test, but the test aren't really that accurate. They're not the, I feel like they're a good starting place, but it's really easy to miss type when you're taking a test. And so...

Jordan: Why do you think that is?

Haley: I don't know, I don't think I've been doing it long enough to really know. I just know from cause I'm in a lot of enneagram groups. And so, I see a lot of people talk about this all the time about how it was a good basis, but it made it, but they often mistyped as the wrong type because of that. And so the best way to figure it out is to look at the core desires and your core fear and figure out what resonates the most with you and then maybe pick one or two types and then just research.

Jordan: Wow.

Haley: Yeah. And so there is the types and then there's also the subtypes, which kind of -

Jordan: What is a subtype.

Haley: So there's three. So there are three.

Jordan: She did so much research, guys. This is mindblowing.

Haley: [Laughs] So there are three subtypes self-preservation, social and then intimate or sexual. And so self preservation is their instincts govern our needs for material supplies and security, including food, shelter, warmth and family relations. Oh, so the subtypes, they, it doesn't matter what your type is you can be any of the three subtypes. And so if I'm sitting next to another four, we could have different subtypes. And that makes us vastly different people, even though we're the same type and we have the same desire.

Jordan: Okay. Got it.

Haley: And so that's self preservation. And then intimate or sexual governs our sexuality, our intimate relationships and close friendships and the vitality of the life force within our bodies. And then social is just need for belonging membership within the larger group and community. And you can also, you can be a mix of two. I'm a mix of social and sexual. And so...

Jordan: You can't be all three?

Haley: No.

Jordan: You can only be one subtype..?

Haley: Yes. This isn't wings. This is subtypes. This, these three will go for everybody in the entire universe. Everyone in the universe will be one of these three, no matter what their type is.

Jordan: Okay. Okay. I see. I see.

Haley: So this is actually, so you're thinking about wings. So the idea of wings is you have your core type, which like for me is a four. Then you have your wing, which is, it can only ever be one of the two types that are adjacent to you. So for me, I could either be a four wing three or a four wing five. And that - just a wing is basically just think of it as the supporter. It's the secondary part of your personality, where you have little aspects of this, but it's not your core. So for me, I'm a four wing three. And so I'm very focused on internal, how I'm feeling, being authentically myself, but then I still want to be successful. But through being the most authentic version of myself. And I want to be, and we're very image focused. And so we want like, so that people four wing threes want to be, they want to have a good image through being the most authentic version of themselves and being authentic and being unique and individualistic. And so they are your, it's your supportive role in your personality and it's kind of the backup to who you are. And everyone has one, but it's only ever the one either before or after.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: And so you're thinking of the wings. This is subtypes, which is different. Anyone can be these subtypes. It doesn't matter if you're a four wing three, if you an eight wing seven, if you're a one wing nine, it doesn't matter. You will be one of these three, maybe two, that's kind of the basic, there's a lot more in depth that I haven't gone into like integration and disintegration. And just, that basically just means growth or stress. When you are in a growth period, you act more like one type. And when you're in a stress period, you act more like another.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: So like when I'm in growth, I act like a one when I'm in stress act like a two and it basically just, it that one, it's your motivations change, depending on what's your mind is going through, even though your core is still the same.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: And so that's the basic version of the enneagram... The crash course in the Enneagram. It's a lot, I mean, I've been, I guess it's been about two years now that I've been looking into this and researching. And so like, I'm definitely not an expert, but I do know quite a bit...

Jordan: You're passionate about it.

Haley: I am very, I'm so passionate about this. I think that everyone should know their type, because like I said, it's about becoming the best version of yourself, which is something that I'm, like I said, I'm passionate about becoming the most authentic version of myself and to becoming the best version of myself. And I want everyone to become the best version of themselves. And so that's why I think this is really important and I'm really glad we're finally talking about it. I'm so excited. When we came up with this idea, I like like jumped out of my seat, like lit up. I was so excited. I've been wanting to talk about this for so long. And so I finally can.

Jordan: [Laughs] It's a good day for Haley.

Haley: It's a great day for me.

Jordan: So for our peo.. For our audience and people who are listening and even myself, I guess. What, since I'm not.. The only thing I know about Enneagram is what she has told me about myself. I think I've may have taken a test, but I don't remember.

Haley: Yeah.

Jordan: I don't remember what the result were. So how can we, as new people new to this, how can we bring this into our lives? Should it be something like we're super dedicated to, like you are? Do you think like, "Oh, just be aware" and you can bring aspects. How, like what...

Haley: I mean, I think it really just depends. I mean, I would say be into it, but no one, not everyone's going to be interested in that. And so I think use it as a guide. And one thing I did do to help you is I made a PDF

Jordan: She's.. I think you're putting it on the website?

Haley: I am. So this will be going up on our website for free so that anybody can use this in their life. If you want to look into it and use this for yourself, you absolutely can. And so, like I said, I had that realization of being authentically myself is why I'm being depressed. Cause I'm neglecting the thing that's most important to me. And so we came up with that long list and I was like, how can I use this idea to help more people as well? And so I took that idea and I made it into a, I called it the Taking Action Life Sheet. And so it's all about using your Enneagram to take action in your life and to use it, to then find what motivates you and then do those things.

Jordan: Okay!

Haley: You know? And so like I said, it'll be free on the website. So anybody at, so anybody can go and get it if they want to. It's 100% free, like nothing, no hidden anything. So you want to do it?

Jordan: Right now?

Haley: Yeah.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: We won't do it. We don't do a ton, like...

Jordan: Okay. Lets go.

Haley: So well first of all, what's your name?

Jordan: My name is Jordan. J - O - R - D - A - N.

Haley: What do you want to get out of doing the sheet? Out of using this to what, what is your goal and what do you wanna get out of it?

Jordan: I mean, I guess it's kind of like what you said with the Buzzfeed grilled cheese. Like just know more like, "Oh, like it's might be a pointless thing, but it's kind of funny. It's kind of fun". So I guess like getting that on paper, just to see like what fun things I could use.

Haley: See, that's the thing we're about to be more than just fun though. We're about to get into...

Jordan: I'm her Guinea pig, guys...

Haley: Fixing your life, Jordan.

Jordan: [Laughs] We were here to fix your life.

Haley: This is a intervention, you have problems and we're fixing all of them.

Jordan: Alright, let's go.

Haley: Okay. So -

Jordan: Free therapy?!

Haley: Ehh, free?

Jordan: Well, it's free.

Haley: Oh, well that's free. I thought you meant me. I was like, no, you're paying this. Isn't free. Yeah. So I guess we need to start out with Figuring out your Enneagram. So..

Jordan: You think I'm a 2.

Haley: I think you're a 2. Do you still think you're a 2?

Jordan: No.

Haley: Okay. Let me read you my description on 2. Twos are a feeling based type with a focus on relationships. They excel at making connections and empathizing with the needs and feelings of other people. They're usually good at supporting others and helping bring out their potential. However, turning their attention toward themselves and knowing what they themselves need is much more difficult.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: You're like, yeah. That's..

Jordan: But the, the, the, the fear thing you said, I didn't resonate with the fear

Haley: Rejected and unwanted, being thought worthless, worthless, needy, inconsequential, dispensable or unworthy of love.

Jordan: I, yeah. I mean, yes, but I feel like that just on an average human basis...

Haley: This is your problem with any personality test. You go "yeah, but like anyone everyone's like that" and I'm like, Jordan that's not the point. It's not. Cause I wrote this down too. Cause I wrote down things to remember, like you said, your type never changes. You can, but you can possibly miss type. The types are universal and completely gender neutral. So it doesn't matter how you identify it will, the types will still identify with anybody. Not anything. Everything, your type will fit you all the time, as we fluctuate between unhealthy, average, and healthy. And that's what I said earlier too. And the numerical ranking is not significant. Numerical ranking is not significant. A 1 and a 9. There's not one that's better. Those are the, like the four things to remember about the Enneagram. And so what was I saying? What was my point

Jordan: Fears of 2? I didn't...

Haley: Oh yeah. So you might not always feel 100%. You might not 100% feel like you fit that type all the time. Cause let's say right now you're really healthy. And so you don't feel some of these fears, you might still feel it to a degree cause it's your core, but there might be bits and pieces of it that you don't.

Jordan: Okay. Read 5.

Haley: Okay. 5 is 5s are mental types who focus on intellectual understanding and accumulating knowledge. They're often scholars are technical experts because of their keen perception and analytical ability, private Oh, privacy and personal autonomy are very important to them. And other people may be experienced as intrusive the ability detach from other people and from emotional pressure confers personal freedom. But they also create loneliness. Yeah. Maybe you're a 5... [laughs] Um your core desire being capable and competent.

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: Your core fear being annihilated, invaded, or not existing, being thought, being thought in capable or ignorant, having obligations placed upon you or your energy depleted.

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: Maybe you're 5.

Jordan: You are the master in this situation.

Haley: I don't know. I can't decide for you. I don't know what your core desire is in life. This is a problem with you because like you said, you're reading this earlier and you go, I could see myself as a 2 as a 5 as a 6 as an 8. And I'm like..

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: So you're difficult.

Jordan: I've been told that my whole life.

Haley: So out of these, which one do you think?

Jordan: Okay, we'll just do 2 for now because for months you've been telling me I'm a 2.

Haley: Yeah. If we like... If like, let me go to...

Jordan: And you said miss typing is accurate so...

Haley: 2 wing 3. Um, so 2 wing 3 personality types, their basic fear, fear of being unwanted or worthless. They usually avoid this by building personal connections with others and working hard to meet the needs of the community. Their most basic desires to be loved and accepted. They may express this by being extremely attentive and attached to other people. Host tend to suppress their own negative emotions, which when done frequently can lead to high levels of stress or unexpected outburst. In summary, they tend to understand and tend to the needs of others, seek acceptance and accomplishment, enjoy group settings and meeting new people, repress their own negative emotions, avoid being disliked or undervalued.

Jordan: Yeah. [laughs]

Haley: You're like, yeah, sure. I guess. Okay. Well the 2 wing ., although maybe I have the worst Guinea pig of all time to prove that this is a good enough list. I don't think you're doing a good job of proving.

Jordan: [Laughs] I'm sorry! Yes, I am completely a 2 wing 3. I'm 100% Let's go!

Haley: Yes. Okay. [laughs]

Jordan: My name is Jordan and I am a 2 wing 3.

Haley: Okay.

Jordan: I suppress all my negative emotions. That's kind of accurate.

Haley: Yeah. so then I guess it's figuring out your subtype. Out of the definitions, what do you think you lean more towards? Self preservation, sexual or social?

Jordan: Do the definitions again?

Haley: Self preservation instinct governs our needs for material supplies and security, including food, shelter, warmth and family relations.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: Um the one that the one-to-one instinct covers our sexuality. Our intimate relationships and close friendships in the vitality of the life force when, within our bodies.

Jordan: Okay.

Haley: And then the social instinct governs our needs for belonging and memberships within the larger groups and community.

Jordan: It's either the self, like the family..

Haley: Self preservation?

Jordan: Uh I'll do the, the, the relationship one. The close relationships...

Haley: Sexual?

Jordan: Yeah. That one.

Haley: Or intimate relationships?

Jordan: Yeah. That one.

Haley: Cool. So your subtype is sexual and then -

Jordan: [Laughs] That's so weird. Okay.

Haley: Intimate. Is that better for you? Your subtype is intimate. And then like we said, your core desire is to be appreciated and loved and then. [laughs]

Jordan: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is! Yes. Yeah.

Haley: We're just gonna cut this whole part and just not have you just not do any of that. [laughs].

Jordan: [Laughs] Maybe you should. You should fill it out for yourself.

Haley: Great idea.

Jordan: She hates me right now. Okay. Go. Keep going.

Haley: Do you feel like your core weakness is pride?

Jordan: No.

Haley: Really?

Jordan: I don't know who I am Haley

Haley: I don't know who you are either. You're divergent. We've already just, we've already figured this out. You're impossible. [laughs].

Jordan: Just fill out. You just do it.

Haley: For myself?

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: Okay.

Jordan: You tell everyone what you did. [laughs]

Haley: Okay. So for me.. I am a 4 wing 3. And so my, my core desire is to be the most authentic version of myself.

Jordan: Haley's about to quit Verb.

Haley: I'm about to kick you off of Verb. I'm staying. You're the problem. [laughs] I'm just kidding, I love you Jordan. So what I did the, for me, like,

Jordan: Wait, what's your name?

Haley: Haley.

Jordan: Okay. What's your goal?

Haley: To become the best version of myself. Here. Do you want this?

Jordan: Yeah. What's your Enneagram type?

Haley: 4 wing 3.

Jordan: What's your subtype?

Haley: Social and intimate.

Jordan: What's your, oh yeah. What's your core desire?

Haley: To be the most authentic version of myself.

Jordan: Your goal and your desire are the same thing?

Haley: No, my goal is to become the best version of myself.

Jordan: Oh, I see. Okay.

Haley: Is to be authentic and individualistic. Is my desire.

Jordan: What's your core fear?

Haley: My core fear is losing myself and yeah. So then what I did, basically, I haven't set up as a category and a list. And so for like, for me, I, when I was feeling this way, I was like, what can I do to be the most authentic version of myself? And so I found every area in my life where I feel like I'm lacking and I feel like I'm not being authentic. And so like I have like I have a sleep category. I have a cleanliness category. Grooming. Health.

Jordan: Can you expand on sleep? And being authentic.

Haley: Because when I stay up all night and I don't get, like, I don't feel like myself if I don't get enough sleep. And so for me, it's important to make sure that I always like I'm in bed by 10 asleep by 10:30, I get my eight, nine hours of sleep. I always make the bed when I wake up in the morning. Just these little habits in my life that make me better. That make me feel like I'm being authentic to myself. And so, not just like sleep in general, like it's authentic for me just to sleep. Like it's authentic for me to take naps from

Jordan: One to five, everyday. That's a long nap

Haley: 8 in the morning to eight o'clock at night. Like, and then I sleep from 10 to six. Yeah, exactly. Hosting. It's really important for me to have people over into host people and have like, I got this like hosting this drive.

Jordan: This might be a topic for another time, but how did you find hosting while in a pandemic?

Haley: I didn't. That was why I was depressed.

Jordan: I see. Okay.

Haley: See, that was the whole thing. I can't. These things that I want to do in my life that are important to me. I can't do either because I was depressed and I was, my mind says neglecting, but like, like I said, like I wasn't, I, we wouldn't, we weren't cleaning the house. We would come home to a dirty home. We would go to bed to a dirty house. For me, eating really well and working out is very important to me. I feel better when I've eaten good food. I put, so that's the whole thing, even though I will neglect these things I don't want to anymore. And I want to, I wrote it down. So it's easier for me to realize like, "Hey, this is important to you, make it important."

Jordan: So that's what you can do with this PDF?

Haley: With this PDF. And so it's finding out what's important to you in life

Jordan: And breaking it down,

Haley: And breaking it down into categories into it. And like I said, I left it open so you can write whatever you want there. It doesn't have to be..

Jordan: Are you going to upload your example?

Haley: Yeah. I'm gonna have an example of mine too, so that everyone can see what it actually looks like. And so you're not just going in completely blind. But like I said, this is for me, adapt it for how you want to use it. It's just a basic guide to kind of get you into all this. Cause it's, it can be a lot if you don't do this all the time. Like I said, Zane and I do this constantly. This is just the written form of it, you know? So.

Jordan: Well, cool. Thank you for sharing.

Haley: You're welcome.

Jordan: And I hope this helps with you guys.

Haley: I hope that this can help somebody.

Jordan: At least like connect to a part of you and maybe help you understand yourself a little more. And if you guys do it, send us your results. Our social media is GotVerb. You can email us at Fill it out, let us know. And then I also want to know what you guys are doing this week to improve your lives.

Haley: Oh yeah.

Jordan: Our weekly question.

Haley: What are you doing this week to improve your life?

Jordan: This week? This week, I want to make it a top priority. Put time management at the front of my list. Get my work schedule solidified something I could do every week. Like maybe there might be some minor changes, but just when things are too up in the air, I find like, they're - Like just grasping. So just get, be better at my time. Manag - time management, make it a priority. That's something, that's my goal for this week. And keep it in my life.

Haley: That's good. That's really good.

Jordan: Yeah.

Haley: That's a good goal.

Jordan: What's yours?

Haley: Hmm. I mean, it's really just getting my work done before I leave. It's just crazy.

Jordan: So that would be like getting those responsibilities responsibilities out of the way. So you can enjoy your trip.

Haley: Yeah. Because that's,

Jordan: Without these things weighing, like weighing on you.

Haley: Yeah. Cause like we said, we want it to be able to just like, not turn off our phones, but like put them on like not focused on them and just be able to have our entire vacation to just relax. Cause that's what we need. That's what we've been missing. And so, yeah, so really just making sure I can get everything done to the best of my ability before I go on vacation and leave. So that's my goal.

Jordan: Good. What are yours? And send us your thing. And maybe you guys can also help me with my type.

Haley: Help Jordan, figure it out. She's hopeless. [laughs].

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